Sunday, August 24, 2008

Traditional Latin Mass in the Philippines

Carlos Antonio Palad created a partial list of Philippine churches that are currently offering the Traditional Latin Mass or Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite. His post can be viewed in Rorate Caeli.
Most of these Masses are made possible through Pope Benedict XVI's Summorum Pontificum.


The said list is posted in this blog's sidebar.


4 comments:

shirley said...

This list is indeed helpful. I had likewise included it as a page in my blog Ex Fide in Fidem.. But I reckon some updates are forthcoming so let's all stay tuned.

=)

Divine Mercy QC said...

in PLDM it is also celebrated weekdays at 8am and on Holy Days of Obligation it is celebrated at around 1:30pm :D

Anonymous said...

Sir, I believe this "Tridentine Mass" is just old wine in a new
bottle. The fad begins once again "oh cool, it's Latin and the priest
faces the altar". "Tridentine" is the new buzzword of the day just
like Zagu, Havaiiannas, FIFA Lanyards, Tiendensitas or whatever the
eff Filipinos think make them "cool". Uy may "Tridentine" ako will
sound like "I have new Havaiianas". What a laugh sir. "Religious but
NOT spiritual", that's what Filipinos are. RP boasts of being the
"Only Christian Country in Asia" but are always on the top of the list
among the most corrupt and backward countries this side of the world.

The Catholic Church keeps getting on their high horse, beating their
chests against the Government's population control programs when in
fairness to the government, they are just doing their jobs of
REMEDIATING THE CHURCH'S FAILURES.

1. The Church has FAILED in convincing people that fornicating is bad
and impractical so kids keep knocking up their girlfriends and have
babies when they are not yet ready. You would then suggest abortion to
these soon to be parents but they will refuse and the reason of course
would be "It is against the word of God". It does not make sense to
hear a religious based reason from them because... If fornicating was
OK with them then, then abortion should be OK for them now! It's all
or nothing, you either believe in God or you don't! If you fornicate,
you did not believe in God so who should you do so now that an
abortion is an imperative?

2. The Church is not making any sense in discouraging other forms of
birth control (that are more effective and simpler for the masses) and
having these people have so many kids. Just tune in to shows like
Wowowee and you will see contestants there telling their sob stories
of how they work as a street sweeper, her husband is jobless and they
have 11 kids! That was from an actual show. The people around me felt
so sorry for her (awww kawawa naman siya) but I did not. She was
irresponsible, and she is getting what she deserves. People like her
are the reason that birth control should be urgently promoted and even
enforced like in the People's Republic of China. Population count and
density is rapidly increasing that we cannot have this church creating
nuisances that make it difficult for the government to achieve
population control success. Not to mention, those people best not
continue polluting the already murky Filipino gene pool.

So, if the Church wants the government to stop promoting birth
control, then they should take out their marketing hats and
successfully convince people that underage/pre-marital sex is bad and
that people who could not afford babies should not have any or an
excess of what they can support.

See this article about "Filipino Spirituality"...
http://www.geocities.com/benign0/agr-disagr/13-religion.html

Fr. Abe, CRS said...

Dear Anonymous,

Let me share my opinion as a response to your post.

1." "Sir, I believe this "Tridentine Mass" is just old wine in a new
bottle. The fad begins once again "oh cool, it's Latin and the priest
faces the altar".

This statement, for me, shows that you are not aware of the real teachings of the Catholic Church. The Catholic Faith is not merely composed of 'Old' and 'New' but of eternal truths that are applicable for all time and for all places. Some of these eternal truths are Man's Worship of God, the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist and the Sacrament of Priesthood. The Catholic Churcn never abandoned these truth of faith, instead she proclaims them day by day for the spiritual benefits of the Faithful.

It appears to me that you are projecting your own attitude and the attitudes of others on this blogger's love and preference of Latin and the TLM. It appears to me that you are trying to apply to him the 'ningas kugon' and mere 'feelings' kind of worship that others are doing. On the contrary, this blogger is a young man with professional job and is a devoted Catholic. After studying the foundation of his faith both Biblically and Liturgically and Historically he fell in love all the more with his Catholic Faith and is spending many of his time serving the Church.

How do we know if the attitude of the person is a mere 'cool of the moment' type? If the person is not willing to sacrifice for the object of affection and is not consistent in his or her dedication then it is a mere passing thing. Our blogger and together with other young men and women who work with him are doing this almost day after day, week after week, with dedication that even us priests could be put to shame. Our love for the Latin Mass will never waver because we are in loved with it and that love is everlasting.

I agree that there may be some people who are exactly what you are saying but these are the people who mostly come and go in the Latin Mass. They are not volunteering in the Church, they are not practicing until late in the evening, they are not sacrificing the way we do.

Moreover, having priests facing the Altar is not a matter of being cool. On the contrary those who are facing the people are the ones trying to be cool because their faces are seen by the people. So, they must be handsome and cute, they need jokes to enliven their sermons, they utilize lines from famous movies, latest songs, and popular anecdotes simply to be acceptable to people. Facing the Altar means Our worship is exclusively focused on God not on the people. That Jesus is the center, the goal and the light of our life.

2. "Tridentine" is the new buzzword of the day just
like Zagu, Havaiiannas, FIFA Lanyards, Tiendensitas or whatever the
eff Filipinos think make them "cool". Uy may "Tridentine" ako will
sound like "I have new Havaiianas". What a laugh sir. "


I've been celebrating Masses in both Novus Ordo and the TLM but I never noticed that attitude of people becoming cool because of Latin Mass. As far as I am aware, the people attending these masses are not wearing 'cool stuff' inside the church like in shorts, sandoos, sleeveless shirts, etc. Instead, they come into the Church in silent adoration, the women wearing head covering like the Blessed Virgin, then they kneel in front of Blessed Sacrament and pray silently on the pews. Those who reject the Latin Mass are cooler because they do what they want in the Church. I suggest you throw you 'cool' arguments on people attending Mass in the Malls, wearing shorts and eating ice-cream during the Consecration of the Holy Eucharist. They suit well with your description. The TLM people are devout people and besides, there are very few Latin Mass in the country and all over the world. If one wants to show off you will not go to a Mass with only a few hundreds in attendance. You will show off in churches where you could be better seen and appreciated.

3 "Religious but
NOT spiritual", that's what Filipinos are.

Definitely, this blogger is not that. Because if you know him personally he is very spiritual. And his spirituality is accompanied by action. I hope you can say the same thing to yourself. Or there will be people who will testify in your behalf that you are not only religious but also spiritual. For this blogger and for many TLM devotees I can testify he is and they are highly spiritual persons.

4. RP boasts of being the
"Only Christian Country in Asia" but are always on the top of the list
among the most corrupt and backward countries this side of the world.


The corruption in this country is happening because our people are not living the Christian values and teachings. 95 % of Catholics are not even attending Mass on Sundays and then you are blaming the Church for corruption. You should study the root of corruption and check if you can really attribute it to our Christian faith. I've been a Catholic from childhood and was an Altar Server since grade 4 yet I never heard any teaching from the Church demanding from me to steal money from others. On the contrary we were taught principles of justice and charity, we were told that Love of Money is the Root of All Evil and that we cannot serve both God and Mammon at the same time. Hope you learned that too. In the Ten Commandments, the command no. 7 states: YOU SHALL NOT STEAL. That is the Christian Faith. So, if you are looking for someone to blame about corruption please look somewhere else because we are not the source of your so-called corruption.


5. "The Catholic Church keeps getting on their high horse, beating their
chests against the Government's population control programs when in
fairness to the government, they are just doing their jobs of
REMEDIATING THE CHURCH'S FAILURES."

WELL, IN FAIRNESS TO THE GOVERNMENT THE POPULATION IS GROWING BECAUSE THEY ARE TEACHING SEX EDUCATION EVEN TO ELEMENTARY STUDENTS COMPLETE WITH DEMONSTRATION OF USING A 'TALONG' OR EGGPLANT AND GUMAMELA FLOWER. Now, you are wondering why there are many teen pregnancies. There are many teen pregnancies because the teachers themselves are teaching the young people how do it and OK lang because they are told to use condoms.

Before, those who are having bastard children are being punished. Now they are glorified. They are becoming popular presidents and politicians voted by people contrary to the directives of the Church. Now the bastards and the legal children are almost equal in status. They can use the surname of father and they can share in the inheritance. So, there is a multiplication of adultery. Many people are producing children outside of marriage, more from their adulterous affairs more than the legal wife. YAN ANG NAGPAPARAMI NG POPULASYON. ANG PINAG-MUMULAN AY DISTORTED VIEW OF SEX AND IMPROPER SEX EDUCATION na promoted mismo ng GOVERNMENT MONG MINAMAHAL.



6 [1. The Church has FAILED in convincing people that fornicating is bad
and impractical so kids keep knocking up their girlfriends and have
babies when they are not yet ready.]

What a very pathetic reasoning. The Church teaches people not to fornicate and yet they fornicate. Once they produce babies IT IS THE FAULT OF THE CHURCH. Cmmon! This is mindblowing. It is like in case of rape, instead of blaming the rapist you are blaming the parents of the victim. This is a shameful argument. IF THEY ARE NOT YET READY TO HAVE A BABY WHY ARE THEY FORNICATING. If you are not ready to for something, then you have to prepare yourself first. Ang sarap ng buhay nila, they chose to fornicate then you will put the blame on the Church. THEY ARE THE ONE WHO ENJOYED THE FORNICATION USING THEIR OWN WILL, OWN BODIES, OWN ORGANS YET WHEN BABIES APPEAR THEY ARE ALL EXCUSED --- IT IS THE FAULT OF THE CHURCH.


7. [You would then suggest abortion to
these soon to be parents but they will refuse and the reason of course
would be "It is against the word of God".]

WE NEVER SUGGEST ABORTION TO PEOPLE SO PLEASE BE SO KIND TO CHANGE YOUR PRONOUN. INSTEAD, USE 'I'. MAY BE YOU ARE THE ONE SUGGESTING ABORTION TO OTHERS.

On our part, abortion is evil because it is MURDER OF AN INNOCENT CHILD. That child is a human person just like you and me. The only difference is that the baby in the womb is weakest and dependent on the support of his or her parents and of society.

You don't want to be murdered, do you? I don't want to be killed, therefore I also don't want to kill another especially a weak child and I will never suggest it. THE STAND OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AGAINST ABORTION MAKES ME PROUD TO BE CATHOLIC. WE ARE PEOPLE OF LIFE NOT AGENTS OF DEATH.





8. [It does not make sense to
hear a religious based reason from them because... If fornicating was
OK with them then, then abortion should be OK for them now! It's all
or nothing, you either believe in God or you don't! If you fornicate,
you did not believe in God so who should you do so now that an
abortion is an imperative?]

ABORTION IS NEVER IMPERATIVE. [Now if fornicating is OK abortion must be OK] Practically yes, that is why the Catholic Church REJECT BOTH. Fornication is an abuse of the sanctity of Sex while Abortion is killing of an innocent.

Besides,if one already committed the sin of fornication, it cannot be corrected by another sin, which is murder, i.e., abortion. It will only multiply the problem.



9. [2. The Church is not making any sense in discouraging other forms of
birth control (that are more effective and simpler for the masses) and
having these people have so many kids.

IF HAVING A FEW POPULATION IS THE ANSWER TO POVERTY PROBLEM HOW COME EAST TIMOR, COSTA RICA, GUATEMALA, HAITI,ETC. ARE NOT YET SUPER RICH?

WHY IS IT THAT CHINA IS ONE OF THE SUPER POWER? AND THE UNITED STATES AND RUSSIA? INDIA HAS ALSO PRODUCED A NUCLEAR ENERGY AND TECHNOLOGY?WHY? BECAUSE OF POPULATION. Their mere number makes them great. They have enough work force.

How about the pagan Europe who practices birth control? They need Algerians, Sudanese workers. They need Filipina nurses and Filipino drivers,etc. Even teachers they are hiring from other countries because they have few young manpower and many are old people and they don't have enough personnel to take good care of them. THE WHITE RACE IS BECOMING A MINORITY IN THE UNITED STATES. SOON THEY WILL BE DOMINATED BY LATINOS, ASIANS AND ARAB MUSLIMS. EVERY BABY THAT THEY ARE KILLING, THEY ARE PAYING BY DOLLARS TO HIRE A REPLACEMENT FROM THE PHILIPPINES AND OTHER COUNTRIES.



10. [Just tune in to shows like
Wowowee and you will see contestants there telling their sob stories
of how they work as a street sweeper, her husband is jobless and they
have 11 kids! That was from an actual show. The people around me felt
so sorry for her (awww kawawa naman siya) but I did not. She was
irresponsible, and she is getting what she deserves. People like her
are the reason that birth control should be urgently promoted and even
enforced like in the People's Republic of China.]


SO, YOUR SOLUTION EVERY TIME YOU WATCH WOWOWEE IS TO MURDER PEOPLE. TO ABORT BABIES? IS THAT A SOLUTION? In order to solve human problems we must apply humane methods and means. INSTEAD OF ABORTIONS AND CONTRACEPTIONS, THINK OF HOW TO CREATE JOBS FOR OUR EXCELLENT MANPOWER. If people have jobs they will not just perform sex all the time. The government must instead educate the public and teach them self-control by providing alternatives. Manual labors for adults, sports development for the youth, etc.



11. [Population count and
density is rapidly increasing that we cannot have this church creating
nuisances that make it difficult for the government to achieve
population control success. Not to mention, those people best not
continue polluting the already murky Filipino gene pool.]


ON THE CONTRARY WE NEED THIS CHURCH TO CONSTANTLY REMIND PEOPLE TO STOP THEIR FORNICATIONS AND ADULTEROUS AFFAIRS IN ORDER TO LESSEN THE POPULATION WITHOUT NEEDING ANY RUBBER, OR DRUGS TO DRINK OR INSTRUMENTS TO INSERTS THEIR PELVIC AREA OR INTERNAL ORGANS.

12. [So, if the Church wants the government to stop promoting birth
control, then they should take out their marketing hats and
successfully convince people that underage/pre-marital sex is bad and
that people who could not afford babies should not have any or an
excess of what they can support.]

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS DOING THAT. THE POPE IS TEACHING THAT BUT INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING THE CHURCH AND THE POPE YOU ARE DISOBEYING. SO, WHOSE TO BLAME? THE ONE WHO TEACHES PROPERLY AND CORRECTLY OR THOSE WHO ARE DOING IMMORAL THINGS DISOBEDIENTLY?